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Post by Kung-Pow on Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:59 pm

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Post by Matthew on Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:04 pm

Whats worth discussing? They're national socialists
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Post by Kung-Pow on Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:07 pm

on all boards i go on if BNP comes out replies go as followed
"FUCKIGN RACIST BLAHASiDasjdiO"
"FACISTS"
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i just enjoy what people go on about. Smile
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Post by lone on Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:01 pm

aren't they the ones who took over Fortis?

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Post by cobRa on Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:20 pm

GO BNP

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Post by Boomlala on Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:25 pm

What the hell is BNP?

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Post by lone on Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:31 pm

BNP paribas
some bank (if I'm correct)

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Post by Boomlala on Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:42 pm

Apparently you're not.

The British National Party, extreme-right, is allowing non-white people membership. Well, I guess it's an improvement. But who would actually vote for such a party?

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Post by Matthew on Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:22 pm

More people than you think; they've been winning various elections (at local and European Parliament level) in certain Northern constituencies. And they do have a point, to some extent, as immigration is seen as a problem nowadays.

So its led all the mainstream British parties to try and win the "white" vote by shifting emphasis towards stricter immigration policies; which is a good thing to an extent...

Although, I don't see whats wrong with some aspects of immigration:
If the "natives" of this country complain that immigrants "steal" jobs, then they should pull their finger out and take it upon themselves to work harder for lower prices - forcing the immigrants away, and benefitting the consumer through greater productivity and consumer surplus. They shouldn't rely on government to force immigrants out for them - the nature of the free market allows for the barrier-free movement of all factors of production (including the labour force).

Having said that, there is quite a large cultural shock that comes with immigration, and all the social problems that arise from that (which are often quite vast or serious). Besides, some of the new regulations introduced under the current government have been far too progressively liberal as opposed to classical liberal; like that introduction of positive discrimination against natives in favour of immigrants (shifting the balance too far in the other direction) and subsequently distorting the economy and social spheres. If the country was left at the mercy of the market rather than the state, the economy would sort out those deemed productive and efficient regardless of race or creed. The market does not discriminate.

Anyway, the BNP is a socialist party economically, and the worst type (nationalist), so I would never give my vote to them, but they are no worse than the rampant islamo-fascist organisations we see over here (groups such as Islam4UK), so it's a pretty bad mix.

Which is why im emmigrating to Hong Kong when I'm older, because the current mainstream parties (like Labour and Conservatives) are over-arching, feckless and spineless taxmongers lolol


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Post by Matthew on Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:32 pm

Kung-Pow wrote:on all boards i go on if BNP comes out replies go as followed
"FUCKIGN RACIST BLAHASiDasjdiO"
"FACISTS"
etcetc
i just enjoy what people go on about. Smile

The willy-nilly "modern liberals" who cry murder at the very mention of immigration policy or BNP are almost as bad as the party itself. They fail to think objectively and detach perception from reality, believing strictly only what they've been taught my mummy and daddy or by the mainstream media. While I personally despise the BNP, one can at least consider and assess/evaluate their views step-by-step rather than just wallow in self-righteous 'virtues'
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Post by lone on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:00 pm

http://www.bnpparibas.be/fr/home/default.asp
understand my confusion?

I never really got the problem with immigrants. There are social problems of course, like suburban districts with much crime, unemployment and almost inhuman housing. Every city has them, and I pass them every day on my way to school. It's funny actually, you can tell where people will get off the bus, just by looking at their clothing. (pretty usefull if you need a seat tbh)

An other thing:
-"We don't want immigrants, they don't work and live on social security! When they are finally given a job, they just make sure to get fired."
-"We don't want immigrants, cause they will steal our jobs."

I just don't get it Neutral

Matt, you are right about left-winged people calling everyone with a different opinion fascists. People's arguments should be handled step by step.

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Post by Matthew on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:27 pm

lone wrote:http://www.bnpparibas.be/fr/home/default.asp
understand my confusion?

Yeah I lol when its advertised at sports matches (like tennis) Razz
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Post by Kung-Pow on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:42 pm

nicely put matt lol.
its weird how BNP got over 1million votes.
33,000 "illegal" (i must emphasize that) immigrants are in this country and BNP are the only party that actually wants to get rid of them. which is what i agree with.
although stopping all types of immigration is wrong.
+ Islam4uk, wtf kind of government allows a group like that stay...
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Post by Boomlala on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:44 pm

They're also homophobic, apparently. And I've heard that certain islamo-fascist parties want Sharia courts installed.

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Post by Matthew on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:49 pm

Boomlala wrote:They're also homophobic, apparently. And I've heard that certain islamo-fascist parties want Sharia courts installed.



and more xD
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Post by lone on Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:18 am

Kung-Pow wrote:33,000 "illegal" (i must emphasize that) immigrants are in this country and BNP are the only party that actually wants to get rid of them. which is what i agree with.
why not make them legal?
if people get through so much shit to get into a country illegally, you shouldn't just kick them.

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Post by Matthew on Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:46 am

There is such a thing as a drain on resource (like public services)
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Post by Boomlala on Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:25 am

Like Matt said, illegal immigration puts high pressure on several public services. Illegal immigrants should be removed, I agree.

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Post by Matthew on Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:59 am

Oh well, who is John Galt?
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Post by Xris² on Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:23 am

I don't really care for British politics but I had to post for my postcount.
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Post by Kung-Pow on Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:43 am

lone wrote:
Kung-Pow wrote:33,000 "illegal" (i must emphasize that) immigrants are in this country and BNP are the only party that actually wants to get rid of them. which is what i agree with.
why not make them legal?
if people get through so much shit to get into a country illegally, you shouldn't just kick them.

sure, they go through alot in their country...and its pretty cruel to kick them out.
but they dont contribute to the country, the come here for our benefit system. so we work, for them.
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Post by Matthew on Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:12 pm

"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater the effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders—what would you tell him to do?"

To shrug

Is there any point in working to the best of your ability to facilitate the needs of others when what you're rewarded with yourself is not what you deserve? The same goes for anyone who mooches off or loots of the man of ability, particularly those who haven't respected the proper codes of a nation's borders...
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Post by Boomlala on Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:17 pm

I think we should use our resources, not to make the individual's life better (providing services for illegal immigrants), but to develop a chance for their country to build up those social services themselves. This will open up a new market wherein we can make profit (because we'll get a good foothold), as well as create lots of jobs, lowering unemployment, allowing a cycle of investment to start, leading to even better services (health care and education), leading to a higher educated workforce, providing an opportunity for high-tech industries to invest into the country.

It's easier said than done, and there are complications involved (corrupt governments), but I think that would be much more effective in the long run. Instead of giving them money (indirectly through services), we should give them a chance to earn money in their own country. And through that process, we will be able to make more money as well. Capitalism is about opportunity and individual initiative. We provide the first, they'll come through with the second.

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Post by Kung-Pow on Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:27 pm

not possible in this climate...all countries are struggling.
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Post by Matthew on Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:24 pm

Boomlala wrote:It's easier said than done, and there are complications involved (corrupt governments)

Or government in general. It's all very well and good discussing the effects/consequences of globalisation (of which there are endless), but the problem lies in how to do it. How do you get the necessary resources into their country, purge corruption from government, create a culture of individualism and production and stablisise the legal system without some form of direct intervention? What was the War in Iraq really all about, and what is the War in Afghanistan now out to achieve?

If you look East towards South Korea and the Asian Tigers; two have been under British colonial rule (Hong Kong, Singapore) whilst one has had civil war and US intervention (South Korea), and one just got lucky (Taiwan). Of course, like you correctly reasoned, once a foothold of capitalism is established and the benefits are demonstrated, everything will flow from there - but it's surely a matter of how rather than when or why.

Besides the point, I'm not particularly in favour of a devotion of a country's resource to other nations - particularly when the resource has not been produced but seized (by government through taxation). If succesful though, I'm sure many companies would be grateful for opening new markets, but it's not as flawless as that..
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