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Post by Boomlala on Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:57 pm

Then I am sorry, apparently I have no fucking idea what ambiguity is. I always thought it meant "to have different meanings depending on context and interpretation", not "unclear etymological relation to what it refers to".

Hmm, how odd, the dictionary makes the same error. So does Wikipedia. So does my programming book. Guess this is one huge cover-up of the government.

Give me a break. I have clear knowledge of what ambiguity is. Where a word originates from or how it was constructed has nothing to do with it's ambiguity.

Point in casa: biweekly. Every two weeks or twice in a week. The former definition is the same as fortnightly. You can clearly see where biweekly comes from, fortnightly is not so clear. Yet fortnightly is less ambiguous.

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Post by *Hule* on Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:38 pm

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Football gives me the impression of people playing ball with their feet. Soccer gives me the impression of a stupid word without meaning. That's how I see it, at least.

True, but that doesn't have anything to do with ambiguity..

I would say that the sentence above sums up the 'ambiguity' in this football conversation.

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Post by Boomlala on Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:47 pm

The problem is: soccer IS related to association football. And it means nothing else but association football. Football references to many different sports, and depending on the context wherein it is used, it means something else. How can you still say soccer is more ambiguous?

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Post by E-Nig on Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:04 pm

C2G Shadman133 wrote:Its also ran with your feet..

And you can kick the ball during a Field Goal Extra Point or Punt the ball...And after every Touchdown

Can you use your hands?


THEN WHY NOT CALL IT HANDFOOTBALL YOU DUMB FUCKING BASTARDS
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Post by Boomlala on Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:07 pm

Because sport names need to have only 2 syllables, otherwise the jocks may not remember the name of their sport.

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Post by E-Nig on Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:10 pm

Golf has 1 syllable.
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Post by Boomlala on Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:19 pm

The first is played by snobs, they are only capable of remembering one syllable.

The second one, never heard of it.

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Post by Huni on Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:31 am

Boomlala wrote:Then I am sorry, apparently I have no fucking idea what ambiguity is. I always thought it meant "to have different meanings depending on context and interpretation", not "unclear etymological relation to what it refers to".

Hmm, how odd, the dictionary makes the same error. So does Wikipedia. So does my programming book. Guess this is one huge cover-up of the government.

Give me a break. I have clear knowledge of what ambiguity is. Where a word originates from or how it was constructed has nothing to do with it's ambiguity.

Point in casa: biweekly. Every two weeks or twice in a week. The former definition is the same as fortnightly. You can clearly see where biweekly comes from, fortnightly is not so clear. Yet fortnightly is less ambiguous.

what the f u c k did he say there?
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Post by *Hule* on Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:12 am

A foreigner like myself couldn't possibly know that "soccer" means "association football" or what ever. I think that's an American abbrevation, and once again the Americans have failed. Razz

Speaking of 'football' it's clear from the beginning: Foot --> ball --> kick. A dude with a suckier skills of English and knowledge about these things would get the picture in a second.


But anyways what fucking idea there is in this argument? If you go to America you know what you're spoken to when speaking of 'football' and 'soccer'.
If you go to Britain you know what means 'football' and 'soccer'.

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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:25 am

"I play football."

In this sentence, you don't know what exact sport I'm playing. You need context (like nationality for example) to fully understand the sentence. Agreed?

"I play soccer."

In this sentence, my meaning is completely clear, wether you do or do not know how soccer is related to association football. There is no confusion. Agreed?

Ergo, since football requires (more) context than soccer, football is more ambiguous.

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Post by *Hule* on Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:36 am

Not necessarily, if someone doesn't know what soccer means. The picture is clear that you're playing soccer, but it's a mystery that what sport it is. And you define it like this: "It's football".

I get your point though, but I'd say the context is usually clear when you're chatting with someone from the USA/UK anyways.

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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:44 am

Ofcourse, in order for my examples to work, you need to know the words I use. But that is besides the point of ambiguity.

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Post by Huni on Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:30 am

I play football.

I kick the bal with my feet.....passing or shooting woot ever.....k?

Leave soccer alone.....that wird sucks...american's r tards
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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:04 am

This isn't a discussion about which word we should use or which word is 'better'. Just a discussion wether football is more ambiguous than soccer (or vice versa).

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Post by *Hule* on Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:11 am

I'd say football is less ambiguous, as the meaning is clear. You play ball with your feet (as I mentioned earlier). The Americans have just made it sound ambiguous by starting to call a game of which rules have only a little to do with really playing with feet by the name of football.

C'mon, what's that all about? Start a hand-ball and call it football, then call the real football by the name of soccer.
Idiotic, if you ask me.

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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:15 am

But football, like it or not, can be interpreted as different sports. If I say "I play football", you don't know what sport I'm playing. Only when you put it in a context, you can see the exact meaning of my sentence. (e.g. "I play football in the keeper position") Soccer doesn't have such a restriction on it's usage, since it only refers to one sport. Ambiguity has NOTHING to do wether the word is properly named after it's meaning (~ American football), but solely wether or not a word can mean different things depending on the context. Football can mean different things (the inaccurate name notwithstanding), soccer does not.

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Post by Haldir on Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:43 am

Boomlala wrote:Ofcourse, in order for my examples to work, you need to know the words I use. But that is besides the point of ambiguity.

That's exactly where you're going wrong! When you're looking at the words in question, you forget the definitions, you're just looking at the context of how the words are used in order to find it's meaning.

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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:33 am

When you're looking at the words in question, you forget the definitions, you're just looking at the context of how the words are used in order to find it's meaning.

You lost me completely.

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Post by E-Nig on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:21 pm

Boomlala wrote:This isn't a discussion about which word we should use or which word is 'better'. Just a discussion wether football is more ambiguous than soccer (or vice versa).

Actually its a fucking discussion about how this is the greatest fucking game of football ever.
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Post by Matthew on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:24 pm

well said
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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:00 pm

That's the thread's subject, but I've skillfully hijacked it.

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Post by Huni on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:04 pm

Man Utd-Inter? will be?

or L'pool-Real Madrid?
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Post by Boomlala on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:07 pm

The first one.

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Post by Shadman on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:08 pm

E-Nig wrote:
C2G Shadman133 wrote:Its also ran with your feet..

And you can kick the ball during a Field Goal Extra Point or Punt the ball...And after every Touchdown

Can you use your hands?


THEN WHY NOT CALL IT HANDFOOTBALL YOU DUMB FUCKING BASTARDS

Funny you can use your hands for certain things in Soccer too...Dumbass

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Post by Huni on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:10 pm

C2G Shadman133 wrote:
E-Nig wrote:
C2G Shadman133 wrote:Its also ran with your feet..

And you can kick the ball during a Field Goal Extra Point or Punt the ball...And after every Touchdown

Can you use your hands?


THEN WHY NOT CALL IT HANDFOOTBALL YOU DUMB FUCKING BASTARDS

Funny you can use your hands for certain things in Soccer too...Dumbass

as far as I know only the goalkeepers use there hands :\
if a player's hadn touches the ball is hands or yellow/red card.
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